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My grandfather and I were so close,

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but he could be very selfish and quite possessive.

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He didn't want Doug to ever move out.

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I said no!

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When he died, I was devastated.

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Poppy left his house to me, so I decided to move in.

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Nobody's in this house for me.

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Why am I hearing music?

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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What is it?

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I had the feeling that I wasn't alone.

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Why are you doing this?

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Yeah, he's a nice guy. He has a good family.

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How do you know his family?

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I know his older sister.

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Jamie.

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When I was a teenager, I had three other sisters,

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and we lived in a trailer, a small trailer.

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So the room issue was a big issue.

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My mother had passed away,

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and we didn't have a lot of room.

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And my dad...

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My grandfather had a big house with two vacant bedrooms,

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so my sister, Leora, and I moved in to my grandfather's house.

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We loved living with him after losing our mom.

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It made you forget some of the bad things.

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Poppy, we're home!

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Poppy?

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I couldn't get a pink one, I'm afraid.

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This'll have to do.

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My grandfather and I were so close.

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He was absolutely my best buddy.

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When I was 16, just got my driver's license,

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for my birthday, Pop bought me a cool little car.

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I had a car at 16, I had my own room, I...

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I wanted for nothing.

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They were really close.

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I think Pop favored Deb more because she was the first grandchild,

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and Deb was old enough to remember my grandmother,

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and Sally's boyhood a little bit more.

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In return, I had to get good grades in school,

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I had to do my public speaking,

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I had to be premium proper,

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and you did what he wanted you to do.

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I was not permitted to date,

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I was permitted to go to Square Dances, but no dating.

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But that's how Pop wanted it.

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And what Pop wanted...

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Pop got.

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No one was good enough for me.

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He was a great loving grandfather, but he also was strict.

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I was 18 years old, graduating from high school.

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Two days later, I interviewed at a radio station.

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Well?

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You got it!

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Got the job that day.

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I was now going to be a disc jockey,

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with absolutely no experience whatsoever.

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I was really proud of Deb.

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I was going to have a famous sister, DJing on radio.

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The radio station was in Erie.

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We lived in Northeast, and it was quite a drive.

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So I wanted to move.

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This is a really good opportunity for me.

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I can't believe you've chosen to walk out on us like this.

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He was angry.

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He forbid me to leave.

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We screamed at each other at the top of our lungs.

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What about your sister? She's going to need you,

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and after all we've done for you.

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I have done my fair share around here too, you know.

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He didn't want Deb to ever move out.

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He didn't want Deb to go have a boyfriend.

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You need to stay here with your family.

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He wanted Deb to stay there with him forever.

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You can't make me stay, Poppy.

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I said no!

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I told him, Poppy, you're being selfish,

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you're being possessive.

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This is an opportunity that I cannot refuse.

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He was extremely hurt.

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I didn't do it to hurt him.

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I did it because I was 18 years old,

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and got the opportunity of a lifetime.

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I'm going now.

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Before I left, he made me promise that I would be back.

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Promise me.

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He'll come back.

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Poppy, I will be back.

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And I promised, I said, Poppy, I will be back.

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He didn't go outside with me, he didn't watch me go.

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He just stayed in the house, and I went.

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For once in my life, I did something for me,

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and it was that radio show,

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and I was loving every minute of it.

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You're listening to Drive Time on WKB Radio.

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I'm Debbie Sheenan, and I'll be guiding you home

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over the next two hours with a little conversation

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and some great music.

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I could tell Pop was really missing Deb,

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and he wasn't acting the same anymore.

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You could just tell he was depressed.

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He was angry.

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He didn't talk to me for two months.

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I was having a blast, just a blast.

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I never, I never wanted to go back.

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I was just a little bit angry.

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I never wanted to go back.

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Out of the blue one day, I got a call from Laura.

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She said Pop was not doing well.

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I called Deb, and I had said,

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we just called the ambulance for Pop.

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He is sick, there's something wrong.

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So I got into my car.

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I don't even know how I got to the hospital.

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I am looking for my grandfather.

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My sister's already here.

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Do you know which room they're in?

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I'm sorry I came as quick as I could.

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How is he?

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I said I think he's dying.

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So the doctor says to us,

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he has fourth stage stomach cancer,

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and it's in his lymph glands.

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It was like a tunnel.

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I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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It's in his lymph glands.

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It was like a tunnel.

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You were in a tunnel.

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So I walk in the room,

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and he's very white, very, very white.

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And I look at him,

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and I say, Poppy,

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I'm here.

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I'm here.

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He squeezed my hand.

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It was a whisper.

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He never came home.

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The last thing he ever said to me

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was, Debbie, kid,

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you never came home.

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And he slipped away.

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He went into a coma.

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He stayed on life support for three days.

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And that cancer basically was just eating him up.

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And they had told us there was nothing that they could do.

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So the doctor called me in and said,

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he's not gonna make it.

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I think it's best for you to just let him go.

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We let him go.

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The doctors told me that Pop had a living will.

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I'm the oldest granddaughter.

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I was his next of kin.

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I was the only one that had medical power of attorney for him.

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So what are you telling me?

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It's up to you to make the decision to end his life.

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my entire world just ended.

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I was 19 years old,

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and I'm ending somebody's life.

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I just need to sign this here with you, so...

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It's the hardest thing I've ever done my entire life.

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Let's do this.

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I think he went to the grave,

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thinking that I let him down, that I disappointed him.

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You know, that I should have come back.

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I felt very guilty.

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Poppy left his house to me,

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left his house, his cars, his money.

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It was all mine at 19 years old.

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I felt guilty about inheriting everything

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because I was the one that broke his heart.

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I was the one that didn't move back home.

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I was the one that had to make the decision to pull that plug.

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I took a break from the radio show,

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and I decided to move back in.

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Leora was staying with my father while I was cleaning out the house,

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and she was going to move in with me.

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So I was in the house alone,

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and there was photos of Poppy and I.

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I just couldn't.

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I couldn't bear to look at them.

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So I turned them around.

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I'm in the house all alone at night.

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And all of a sudden, I hear the back door open.

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I hear creaking.

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And I say, Leora?

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Is that you?

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Now I'm getting a little freaked out.

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The door's open.

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I'm going to get it.

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Nobody's there.

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I decided I'm leaving the porch light on all night.

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It was a calm, very hot, nice summer day.

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I'm on the patio,

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and I decide to go back into the house.

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And all of a sudden, from nowhere,

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this man jumps out and starts chasing me.

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From nowhere, this man jumps out and starts chasing me.

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And I'm running as fast as I can.

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I fall down.

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I wake up.

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I'm having a nightmare.

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It was so real.

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It was terrifying.

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I'm so scared.

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Hey.

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I went over one morning to have breakfast with Deb.

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I went into the living room,

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and I noticed there were some pictures that were turned around.

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All the pictures that were turned around had my grandfather in it.

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Debbie?

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And I asked Deb,

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why did you turn all these pictures around?

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Yeah, I just...

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I just can't deal with that right now.

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Are you okay?

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I understood how she felt, because it was sad.

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It was hard to look at pictures.

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You hungry?

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Yeah. Okay.

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Let's start.

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So Debber and I sat down to eat breakfast.

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All of a sudden, it just went, like, static.

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So I got up to go check.

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the tuner was slightly off of the station that we had on.

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I thought, well, that's weird.

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So I put it back on the station.

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And all of a sudden, it heard static again.

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but it was tuned to my grandfather's favorite radio station.

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that all the pictures were now turned around facing front.

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Debber!

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I was scared.

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You have all this stuff that's happening in the house

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that you can't explain,

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but at the same time, it was a comfort to me

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to even think that he was there.

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He walked down on me.

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I mean, he has wallpaper with Richard on it.

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My sister Laura decided that I was too involved

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with just being in that house and not wanting to do anything.

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What are you looking at?

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Nothing. I'm not...

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I'm nothing.

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No, I'm not.

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I'll get it.

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I just wanted her to be happy, so I introduced her to this guy, Dave.

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He was a nice guy. I thought maybe they'd hit it off.

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Okay. Hi.

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So this is my friend Dave, Deborah.

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Hey, nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you as well.

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Anyways, I gotta go, but you guys have fun. I'll be back.

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After Pop died, I didn't want to be set up.

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I didn't want to have a boyfriend.

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No, she didn't tell me.

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Yeah.

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Well, uh, I got you these.

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Very nice. Thank you.

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They're pretty. I'm just gonna go put them in water.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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You know, she wasn't interested in getting into a relationship.

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I was kind of thrown in there, and I appreciated it,

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and I took advantage of it.

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It's not even a part of it, so I don't know where I am.

271
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Turns out, we kind of came from a different background.

272
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She was a good girl.

273
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000
I was getting in trouble and things like that.

274
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He was a bad boy.

275
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He went out, he drank, he went to parties.

276
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I didn't do any of that,

277
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and I think that's what finally attracted me to him.

278
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One week later, I invite Dave over to watch the television.

279
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So we're sitting on the couch, and we start to get close to each other.

280
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The lights start flickering.

281
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Just a few.

282
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I'm kind of uncomfortable now, because the lights are flickering.

283
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Telephone rings.

284
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I get up.

285
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Call the radio.

286
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Compared to our old cell phones I actually watch therapist,

287
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000
and I hear people talk about it,

288
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like, call the police.

289
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,000
And these we keepcall calling in the right variant of se Wah 30.

290
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I get up, answer the phone.

291
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,000
Hello?

292
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000
Nobody there.

293
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000
Hello?

294
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,000
Just a bunch of static.

295
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000
I'll never maybe.

296
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,000
Hello?

297
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000
Static.

298
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000
Hello?

299
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000
I'm sorry.

300
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000
I'm sorry.

301
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,000
I'm sorry.

302
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,000
I'm sorry.

303
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000
Static.

304
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000
Hello?

305
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,000
That kind of was thinking that it might have been another guy.

306
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000
Huh?

307
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000
I hear a whispering.

308
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000
Oh, whoa.

309
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000
You okay?

310
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,000
I thought to myself, could this be Poppy

311
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,000
showing his dislike or anger

312
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000
over me having a boyfriend

313
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,000
or bringing a guy into the house?

314
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000
I think he should leave.

315
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000
I'm sorry.

316
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000
I'm sorry.

317
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000
I'm sorry.

318
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000
I'm sorry.

319
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000
I'm sorry.

320
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000
Okay, yeah.

321
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000
Are you okay?

322
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,000
Yeah, I'm sorry.

323
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,000
I got up and left.

324
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,000
Somebody didn't want us to be together that night.

325
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000
It was one thing she hid from me.

326
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000
That there was something on the other end of the phone

327
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,000
that wasn't right. She kept it to herself.

328
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000
Thank you.

329
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000
I knew it was too much like how Poppy would have reacted

330
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,000
had I had a boyfriend in the house.

331
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000
I knew.

332
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,000
That night, I have that same dream.

333
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,000
But this time, I look back

334
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000
and there's a work uniform.

335
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,000
It's the uniform my grandfather used to wear to work.

336
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000
At that moment, I knew that the man

337
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,000
that had me by the ankles was my grandfather.

338
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000
He was mad.

339
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000
Then I hear something.

340
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Music.

341
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000
I come out of the bedroom.

342
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,000
I hear the music getting louder.

343
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000
Music.

344
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,000
So I walk into the living room.

345
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000
Music.

346
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,000
I walk slowly up to the reclining chair.

347
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000
Music.

348
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000
Music.

349
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000
No one there.

350
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,000
I look at pop's radio and it's off my station

351
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,000
and tuned to WHYP.

352
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,000
That's the channel pop always used to listen to.

353
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000
It freaked me out.

354
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000
I didn't know what to think.

355
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,000
How could someone you love come back and do this?

356
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,000
I'm sure he felt angry.

357
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000
I'm sure he felt betrayed.

358
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,000
I believe that he was punishing me for not coming home

359
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000
and just moving on.

360
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,000
I stopped up at Deb's house and we were talking.

361
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Why are you so tired?

362
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,000
I just needed someone to talk to.

363
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000
So I told Laura about my nightmares.

364
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,000
I keep having this weird dream.

365
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000
I told her about being chased across the yard.

366
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,000
I didn't believe what she was telling me.

367
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000
He chases me all the way into a cornfield

368
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,000
and I'm running and running but I can't get away.

369
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,000
Laura leans over to me and she says

370
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,000
and you fall down.

371
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000
And he grabs you by the ankles.

372
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000
How would you know that?

373
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,000
Because I've been having the exact same nightmare.

374
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,000
And then I knew it wasn't just her grief or her guilt

375
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000
because I experienced it too.

376
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000
It scared me.

377
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000
My other sister Penny came to stay with me for a few days.

378
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,000
Last card.

379
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000
I win.

380
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000
I just needed some company and really just didn't want to be alone.

381
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Okay, good night.

382
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000
So I went and laid on the couch.

383
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Put the TV on.

384
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000
I eventually fall asleep.

385
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,000
I wake up.

386
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000
I'm feeling uneasy.

387
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,000
Something here is just not right.

388
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,000
Oh my, oh my God, I smell smoke.

389
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,000
There's a fire. There's smoke.

390
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000
I'm not here.

391
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000
I'm not here.

392
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,000
It's upstairs.

393
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Penny!

394
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,000
My sister is up those stairs and she's not answering me.

395
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000
So I go up the stairs.

396
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000
Penny!

397
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Penny!

398
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
Penny!

399
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000
Penny!

400
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,000
There's flames just all around the bed.

401
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Nowhere else but around that bed.

402
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Penny! Penny, wake up!

403
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,000
So I shake her. I say get up. I've got to get you downstairs. Get up.

404
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000
Penny, we have to go!

405
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,000
She doesn't move. The flames were spreading to the walls.

406
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,000
Penny, come on!

407
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000
We have to get her out of there.

408
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000
We have to go!

409
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000
Get up!

410
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Penny finally comes too, but she's dazed.

411
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000
And the door is slammed shut.

412
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Stay here.

413
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,000
The door's locked. I never locked that door.

414
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000
We were trapped inside that house.

415
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,000
I glance up and there is a man.

416
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000
And I called out to him and I asked him,

417
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Why are you doing this?

418
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,000
And then I heard booming.

419
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,000
All of a sudden I feel a cool breeze.

420
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000
It comes right through me.

421
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,000
And I heard a whisper.

422
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,000
You never came home.

423
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,000
It wasn't love anymore.

424
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,000
It was the need to possess and control.

425
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000
He was taking me with him.

426
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Take me!

427
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Be a penny alone and get me!

428
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000
Let Penny go and just take me.

429
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000
And as soon as I said that, the door popped open.

430
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000
So I grab Penny and we run.

431
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
And I run.

432
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000
I always believed in some kind of an afterlife,

433
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:48,000
but never, ever did I think that anything like this would happen to me.

434
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,000
It wasn't a bad dream. It was an awful reality.

435
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,000
But I thought if his house is gone and his spirit is in it,

436
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000
I'm so glad you're okay.

437
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,000
Maybe it is finally over.

438
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000
There's Penny. She's okay. She's shuffling up.

439
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,000
I was working out of town and when I came home,

440
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,000
I heard that there was a house fire and everybody was alright.

441
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Are you okay?

442
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
I'm okay.

443
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000
What?

444
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000
What happened?

445
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000
I'll let you guys talk for a bit.

446
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Okay? See you soon.

447
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,000
I have to tell you something.

448
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,000
I thought it was time to let him know what was going on.

449
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000
I told him everything. He didn't judge.

450
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
He was very supportive.

451
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,000
She ended up confiding in me and talking about it.

452
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,000
I believed her.

453
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000
There's no reason for her to lie to me.

454
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000
She was somebody I cared about deeply and I wanted to be there for her.

455
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,000
I wanted to be the one to help her.

456
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,000
And from that moment on, we were inseparable.

457
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,000
A little less than a year later, Dave and I got married.

458
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000
It was a whole new chapter of my life.

459
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,000
We replaced Poppy's house with a trailer and put it on that property.

460
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,000
Time went on. We had a little baby.

461
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000
We named her Rochelle.

462
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Life was good. We had her family.

463
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,000
I gotta go to work. I got me on the night shift.

464
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,000
I no longer felt Poppy's presence and I was really happy that he was at peace.

465
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,000
When I came home that night, I was all by myself.

466
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000
Deb and Rochelle were out.

467
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,000
It was just me.

468
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Deb?

469
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
I'm sorry.

470
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000
I'm sorry.

471
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
I'm sorry.

472
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
I'm sorry.

473
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
I'm sorry.

474
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000
I'm sorry.

475
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
The trailer was dark late at night.

476
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,000
I turned the lights on and carried on with my business.

477
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Just like that, the lights went out.

478
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,000
My only option was to go back at the end of the trailer, go check the breaker panel.

479
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,000
I just had the feeling that I wasn't alone.

480
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,000
I got a good idea that her grandfather and some were waiting for me.

481
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
I was scared.

482
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
It was terrifying.

483
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000
I've never been so scared.

484
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000
I was scared.

485
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,000
There was something there.

486
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000
I could feel it. I could sense it.

487
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000
I opened up the breaker box.

488
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,000
The main switch was thrown.

489
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000
I threw that switch in it.

490
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,000
The lights came back on.

491
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000
What's wrong?

492
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Nothing.

493
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000
Are you okay?

494
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Yeah. I need to talk to you for a second.

495
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Can you...

496
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Can you go play at the table with your toys?

497
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000
Okay.

498
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,000
I've never seen him afraid like that.

499
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
Ever.

500
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000
I'm sorry.

501
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000
What's wrong?

502
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000
There's a man in my closet.

503
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Or shall we just come barreling out of that room crying?

504
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,000
I ran into the room looking for somebody.

505
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,000
I felt sick.

506
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,000
I was so scared.

507
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000
I was so scared.

508
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000
I was so scared.

509
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000
I was so scared.

510
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000
I was so scared.

511
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000
I was so scared.

512
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000
I was so scared.

513
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000
I was so sick.

514
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000
I thought it was over.

515
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000
There's nobody there.

516
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000
That's him.

517
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
He's back.

518
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000
All I know is that, uh,

519
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Earl made himself known to her.

520
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
And she did not like it.

521
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,000
I decided the next morning,

522
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000
I was going to go see a priest

523
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000
to find out how I could get rid of Poppy once and for all

524
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000
before anything happened to my little girl.

525
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
I'm calling Father Burns.

526
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000
I had grown up going to church

527
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
and Father Burns knew me.

528
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000
I'm standing outside thinking,

529
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000
what am I going to say to Father?

530
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000
He's gonna think I'm nuts.

531
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
I see you.

532
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Thank you so much for coming.

533
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000
He believed everything I said to him.

534
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000
He was very supportive.

535
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
I think that he's back.

536
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
He said to me,

537
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Deborah, my child,

538
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
you have a pure possession,

539
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000
and I'm going to help you.

540
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Father Burns rebaptized me,

541
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
took a crucifix,

542
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
blessed it.

543
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000
He blessed a bottle of holy oil.

544
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000
He gave me a St. Michael's Medal.

545
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,000
He said, these are your instruments of battle.

546
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000
You're going to have to upset your grandfather soul-free.

547
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000
Your possession

548
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,000
is a result of the guilt that you hold on to,

549
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000
and it's only you that can end it.

550
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,000
At that point, I finally realized that it was me,

551
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000
and I was going to have to...

552
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000
to get rid of him all over again.

553
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
St. Michael the Archangel.

554
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Defend us, and we will...

555
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
We went room to room,

556
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
splashing the holy water

557
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
by the power of God.

558
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Saying the St. Michael prayer,

559
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
saying our Father prayer,

560
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000
and demanding that Poppy leave.

561
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
I'm ready.

562
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
I said, Poppy, you're not welcome here anymore.

563
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
You're not welcome anymore.

564
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000
You can't hurt me anymore.

565
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,000
You cannot be here.

566
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,000
I was extremely sad that I had to do this.

567
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
It was extremely hard on her,

568
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,000
because it was a closure to a big part of her life.

569
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Defend us in battle.

570
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Be our defense against...

571
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
The wind started to blow.

572
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Be our defense against the wickedness.

573
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000
I could feel this heavy uneasiness.

574
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000
In the stairs of the devil.

575
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Anything that was loose would have been flying paper, books.

576
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
It was all because of the evil spirit.

577
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Thank God for being there.

578
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
We hold it firm.

579
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000
And we're down to the brim.

580
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
It wasn't my Poppy anymore.

581
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000
By the power of God.

582
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,000
I could feel anger.

583
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
It was all because of the evil spirit.

584
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000
I could feel hate.

585
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,000
It was all because of the evil spirit.

586
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,000
It crossed from love to possession.

587
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
All of a sudden, I could have moved.

588
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,000
As if something was stopping me from moving.

589
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
I could have moved.

590
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,000
You could tell he was there.

591
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,000
You could tell he was in front of her.

592
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,000
I said, Poppy,

593
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000
I love you so very much.

594
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000
I love you so very much.

595
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000
I said after everything that you have done to me,

596
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
I never stopped loving you.

597
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Never.

598
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
I said that you have to go.

599
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000
You cannot stay with me anymore.

600
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000
You have to go.

601
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,000
And I said, I love you.

602
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000
The wind stopped.

603
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
I was able to turn and look at Dave.

604
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,000
It was over.

605
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,000
And he was gone.

606
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,000
To witness those events is something that I will never forget.

607
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:18,000
Father Burns' advice was absolutely right on.

608
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000
It worked.

609
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,000
I no longer felt Poppy anywhere.

610
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,000
He's gone.

611
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
I believe he moved on that day.

612
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
He was finally going to be at peace.

613
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,000
I was finally going to be at peace.

614
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000
Poppy finally went home.